Tell Us What You Really Think
"If you don't know what a meteor looks like, I understand
like you said nobody ever found one yet, Duh. If You don't like
this one I wont send you anymore."
"I cannot believe you have not responded to my previous email dated 7/9/03.
I can understand XXX not showing interest, but you? Are you part of the SNC herd
mentality? Or, are you under the control of XXX. Well you can always remember,
I offered you a chance to examine and research the most important meteorite find
ever, from Mars. And you refused. Go figure. Wow, it goes to prove higher education
does not necessarily include wisdom. Good luck with your moon rocks."
"... at least there are people who are trying to speak a language different
than their mother tongue, something most ignorant (by default) americans are
not capable of doing. Please excuse me for being so sincere, and have a nice
day."
"I am happy that one of my quotes made to your top ten list. Please remember
your profession is funded by the same people you make fun of with your web page.
Your profession has the stench of disrespect for the ordinary person. FYi...my "meteorwrong" as
you put it has confirmed 26Al nuclide of 90.7 dpm/kg. The great R.Koratev has
missed a meteorite call. Stop the presses!!!! In any event, you will never have
the opportunity to examine this "meteorwrong" nor will I allow you
to publish any scientific paper about it."
"And people around the world including me, also now that you are : a terrestrial
AMATEUR ( korotev ). You dont know what you are talking about ( ??? ), because
you don't understand how a real Lunar meteorite - should look like."
Regarding the Rude Admonishment: "Your
above statement is beyond rude, you are very disrespectful to those who ask you
to share your knowledge. Apparently they didn't teach manners where you're from,
and as a (scientist) or so you call yourself.... when did you become tired of
learning new science-geology of what the public thinks are meteorites? If you
do not like people, or science, (any kind) please do all those crushed people
a favor, leave the diplomacy to anybody else and stop being a rude idiot."
"Man, you're so negative if anyone took your "advice" they wouldn't
search at all."
"I have a very possible meteorite but I don't like your attitude so I'll
probably not bug you with it."
"Well, that is interesting, as I today was wondering if I found a space
rock, however, as unsure as I am I will still have it looked at by the staff
at ... University..., all a bit of fun, relise that you must have many people
baddgering you about space rocks however, I see it as a duty of yours to assist
us unknowledgeable type to determine if they have a meteorite or not, I found
your rude admonishment just that rude, you
seem to want people to send them their interesting species however you also seem
to disscourage people from sending them to you just in case they a wasting your
time, not sure what to think, hope you find this long e-mail irratating as I
found your admonishment."
"While you may be an authoritative gatekeeper on lunar chemistry to many
in the naive general population, we have surpassed your prowess. I want you to
do three things for me Randy. A) Get used to it. B) Get over it C) Grow up."
"Your website is a collection of garbage designed to show off
what little knowledge you truly possess about meteorites. Get Real, who would
ever be stupid enough to go thru all the crap you described as obstacles to getting
any real meteorite
tested?
Ive been a professional hunter for years with a vast collection from all over
the world and the last mistake I would ever make is to send anything to someone
like you to supposedly test."
"Your worthless website has obviously been designed to discourage and dishearten
anyone from the worthwhile sport of meteorite hunting and collecting!!!
Spoken like a Typically Pompous & Arrogant Educator who cannot perform and
ends up teaching instead, only your brand of teaching is totally Negative and
a Major Turn-Off!!!
Go back to school and learn how to write a Constructive Website!"
"GET OVER YOURSELF! I have never read such a rude, condescending,
self absorbed piece of advice in my entire life. People that are searching the
internet for clues, advice and help on determining if what they think is a meteorite
truly is, don't need to
be reading the crap
you post on your "what to do if you think you've found a lunar (or some
other kind of) meteorite" page. It's too bad we have to read this page after
all the good advice you offered on the rest of your website. Then you turn out
to be a big jerk. I'm guessing this isn't the first time you have been accused
of this, and if you continue to represent yourself in this manor, it won't be
the last.I'll look elsewhere for help."
"I was really disappointed when I looked at your website. I've never seen
anything so negative. You may consider closing the site altogether since it apparently
brings no joy to you or anyone else. I hope you're feeling better soon."
"I understand your desire to educate and inform the interested public about
meteorites, but, I don't understand your "attitude" in presentingthem.
I'm surprised anyone would want to write or send you anything as condescending
as you come off; and moreover, that the universitydoesn't care about your hostile
manner of presentation. That isn't science to make someone feel like an idiot
for considering they might have found a meteorite."
When I told someone that the composition of his rock was consistent with
a
terrestrial rock but inconsistent with a lunar rock: "Its no longer
a mystery why ne luner rocks have been discovered in the USA . They have been
discovered! You cant even stick to your own so-called guide lines. Retire! so
progress can
begin."
"You cannot base your scientific knowledge about the moon upon the rocks
that
supposedly
were brought from the moon by the Apollo missions."
"You should look for a 'venue' suitable to defend your position on why my
lunar meteorite is 'industrial slag.' If, there are more people in the scientific
community that will defend this crater material as 'slag.' You are more than
welcome to bring your fellow constituents to defend your position. If your ready
for a debate and your position is a 'solid one.' I will contact the media to
schedule a debate at your earliest convenience. We can hold the debate at the
bottom of one of my craters or indoors at WUSTL."
"you are the most unhelpful person ever found in the internet ,it's seams
that you don't like your job, the most information i got from you was don't send
this
,don't do that ,don't call me ,in short words don't ever read anything here.
An exchange
A fellow sent me a several e-mails with photos attached and politely
asked some questions. He was rather adamant that all the rocks had to be
meteorites because he'd been reading everything he could find about meteorites
and had learned a lot.
I politely said that
none of the rocks in the photos looked like meteorites to me and that it
was
highly
improbable
that
he
had found as many different types of meteorites as he claimed. He then
sent me samples of 32 (!) of the rocks. I agreed to look at 3 of them and
give my opinion. I also showed them
to a geologist colleague of mine to get his opinion. Here are my exact
words, followed by his, in response.
Dear Mr. [name withheld]:
As I say below, I'm not a geologist, but I did show the three samples to a geologist.
My first reaction is that I can't understand why you think any of these rocks
are meteorites. They don't have the smooth, aerodynamic shape of meteorites,
they don't have fusion crusts, they don't have regmaglypts, and they don't contain
metal. They look like rocks.
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/id/fusioncrust.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/id/regmaglypts.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/id/ordinary_chondrites.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/id/metal.htm
LG006 and LN014. I suspect both of these are the same kind of rock. This would
be easier if you told me where you found them, but I suspect they're both volcaniclastic
rocks, perhaps ignimbrites or ash-flow tuffs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignimbrite
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O13-ignimbrite.html
If so, they're of volcanic origin. The green clasts, particularly in LN014, resemble
epidote or one of the other similar hydrothermally (hot water) altered minerals.
Such minerals are not found on the Moon. LN014 also contains a big red clast.
That means iron (III), ferric iron. Ferric iron does not occur on the Moon and,
as a consequence, no lunar rocks are red.
LA024 may also be volcaniclastic, or some kind of breccia. The problem is that
the clasts are some kind of granitoid rock, a rock dominated by quartz (whitish)
and K-feldspar (pink). Again, such rocks are common on earth but rare on the
Moon.
These rocks look like perfectly good earth rocks and, as I say on my website, "If
it’s driving down the highway and it has 4 tires, 2 headlights, and a trunk,
then it’s probably an automobile, not an alien spacecraft." You either
have meteorites like none ever seen before or plain old terrestrial rocks. If
I were a betting man, I'd go with the latter. There's nothing about them that
suggest to me that they're from the Moon.
I'll return the rocks to you soon.
sincerely,
Randy Korotev
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Randy: I'm thinking, that asking a geologist to do the job of a lunar geochemist,
is like sending a carpenter to erect the next World Trade Center. It is obvious,
that you are unable to wrap your mind around the idea that a discovery such
as this could be possible, or even feasible. It is also apparent, that the
potential of this discovery is not important to you, or to the science. Your
attempts to deny, denounce and destroy this effort has reached, "the
end of the trail!"
Having said as much, I will be dismissing you from this case. I will have the
lab results sent to several other, more open-minded & intelligent lunar geochemists,
whom I am in contact with, and who currently think that such a discovery is not
only possible and feasible, but probable & overdue. This project is deserving
of young, alert, provocative, curious and inquisitive minds, who are willing
to think outside the box. (There are meteorites that are "Red"!!......check
out the latest chat on your local Meteorite chat room; courtesy of [name withheld]).
I've never known a scientist wanting, offering or settling for a compromise on
a potential discovery. How egocentric & how terribly absurd!
I do thank you for your efforts, but you are not the "man of science" I
was expecting, or hoping, you would be. It is obvious, too, that you introduced
the specimens to your "terrestrial" geologist (if there was one you
associate with!) with prejudice. This is not the type of scientific inquiry deserving
of a comment or compliment. Your arguments against these specimens being meteoritic,
should be directed against your own publications and those of Richard Norton,
NASA, JPL, Johnson Space Center, and every single collection around the globe.
I must suspect, that you are in the game to protect your own precious fusion-crusted
relics and the value of your fraternity's collections. Your professional & personal
integrity are certainly in question, here! I have given you this potential discovery
on a silver platter, but you have chosen to spit in my eye, as if I was some
kind of lowly peon. Never, have I been treated with such arrogant malice!
I wish you well on your retirement & may it be soon! A fella' can look at
just so many rocks, that he becomes one, himself!
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I found these (extremely amazing) sentiments posted
on a web site !!!
"Randy Korotev is a stupid #####! He run his own illegal "Lunar
meteorites" company inside the building Washington University in St.Louis
through abuse his title of professor spreading false information also known
as pseudo-science and should be sentenced for gross fraud!"
"...you are absolutely right regarding that
jealous person named Randy Korotev who is responsible for "List
of Lunar meteorites" as in this case represent official
misconduct. It's a must for Randy Korotev too classify
these important Lunar meteorites from Sweden as new Moon
rocks otherwise he cause a international scandal and should
lose his title of being a serious professor who works at
Washington University in St.Louis within this department..."
"I can also understand that meteorite researcher today are somewhat jealous
when you as private person from Sweden have succeed find something such a rarity,
but them shall really be feel ashamed especially
the owner behind "List of Lunar meteorites" at Washington University
in St.Louis he must be complete blind if not notice this attractive and shiny
fusion crust evidence."
"Forget MIL 05035 from Antarctica, all the b&!!*^#t our researcher have
wrote at internet ever since they find it - a rare breed type of Lunar basalt
meteorite seen only once before. They have absolutely wrong according to my opinion
and abuse their title of professor through spread lies concerning MIL 05035 being
the second of its kind ever seen which is completely fraudulent conduct to tell
the truth, wake up meteorite "scientists" open your eyes and don't
be envious that this gentleman from Sweden as private person have succeed discover
a great amount of extraordinary Lunar meteorites who deserve good publicity.
I see that your 142gram as described has been completely transformed to maskelynite
by extreme shock with excellent fusion crust evidence, really exciting solar
wind implanted noble gases in this impressive specimen ( Krypton, Xenon and Argon
) which are important certificate of extraterrestrial
origin." |
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